Ramesvara: Now, what I am thinking is this, that you have mentioned many times, several times, that there is a conflict which is inevitable between Russia and America.
Prabhupada: Hm. No, if they understand Krsna consciousness, both of them–now we are publishing–then there will be no conflict on…
Ramesvara: If Russia…
Ramesvara: But if not…
Prabhupada: Then we shall force America to fight with them. Finish this philosophy. ((Communism))
Ramesvara: Now, if this conflict takes place, then you mentioned that many cities both in America and Russia will be bombed or affected by this conflict.
Prabhupada: Hm, hm.
Ramesvara: So when the war is finished…
Prabhupada: Then they will come to their senses.
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Ramesvara: Then there will be nothing left. Their jobs, their factories, it will all… So then they’ll be able to easily understand, “Now let us start again. We’ll live on the farm. Simpler life.”
Prabhupada: Yes. That will be good lesson for them.
Ramesvara: So is this conflict part of the spreading of Krsna consciousness?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam. To… Conflict means to finish the sinful activities, finish, stop it.
Ramesvara: It seems that then this conflict will be a great opportunity for our movement.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Ramesvara: And afterwards there will be an opportunity to influence people.
Prabhupada: We shall take every opportunity. We are the best opportunists. Anukulyena krsnanu… This is anukula. This is favorable for spreading Krsna consciousness. We shall immediately accept. It doesn’t matter what it is. We do not depend on the public opinion–“This is good” or “This is bad.” Our “good” “bad” is: if it is favorable for spreading Krsna consciousness, it is good; otherwise bad.
Ramesvara: So it seems that as our movement grows more and more…
Ramesvara: …then America will more and more be considering active stopping of Communism. It’ll be logical.
Prabhupada: Everything will be stopped, all bogus social, political or religious systems. They will be all stopped.
Ramesvara: Then this will be a natural development of the growth of the Krsna consciousness movement.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Two things: paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam. As the duskrta–na mam duskrta mudhah–will be reduced, the sadhu will increase. Or the sadhu will increase, the duskrta will decrease.
Ramesvara: This conflict will be global. It will affect the whole world.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. That doesn’t matter.
Hari-sauri: We’re already in every country now.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is the Kuruksetra fight.
Ramesvara: So this conflict will take place…
Prabhupada: Support Yudhisthira Maharaja and kill Duryodhana. This is Kuruksetra.
Ramesvara: It seems our movement has to grow much more…
Prabhupada: It will grow.
Ramesvara: …before this will take place.
Prabhupada: It will grow: It is growing. Simply our workers should be very sincere and strict, and it will it grow. Nobody can check. That’s a fact. Simply we have to be very strict and sincere. Then nobody can check.
Ramesvara: Because after such a conflict the whole world will…
Prabhupada: Conflict is already there. Just like they’re opposing.
Ramesvara: But I mean actual destruction of their culture, their…
Prabhupada: Now they are trying to destroy us. And we are trying to destroy them. The conflict is already there. And this is now psychological fight. And then there will be actual fight. And we must take part in that fight.
Ramesvara: We will be the only ones who have any vision what to do after the war.
Prabhupada: Yes. We have got clear vision. We are not putting any theory. We are always presenting fact, and that is materializing. Just like we started this farm. It is materializing gradually. It is not yet fully organized; still, there is hope that it will give peace to the people. There is sufficient hope.
Hari-sauri: Is our goal to actually establish Vedic principles back into society again at large?
Ramesvara: Of course.
Prabhupada: That will be Satya-yuga. Again the Vedic principles will be established after finishing this Kali-yuga. And that is Satya-yuga. That is going on. Just after summer, there is winter. There is… After winter, there is summer.
Ramesvara: But this is extraordinary. Lord Caitanya’s movement, the ten thousand years of His movement, that is a special exception for the Kali-yuga.
Prabhupada: Special for this millennium. But the thing is going on like that, rotating.
Ramesvara: But in general, first it gets more and more degraded. Then it’s all finished.
Prabhupada: Yes. Unless there is degradation, there is no question of improvement. So this is going on. This is nature’s way, bhutva bhutva praliyate, appearance and disappearance.
Ramesvara: Now, this Krsna conscious government… Will many of the things that are going on in America, like schools and education, teaching people to read and write…
Prabhupada: They’ll have to reform.
Ramesvara: That will all continue, but it will be adjusted so that Krsna consciousness…
Prabhupada: Yes, Gurukula, Gurukula education.
Ramesvara: Still we’ll be teaching subjects like history and math.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Without teaching, how the human society will exist? There must be.
Hari-sauri: No, he’s talking about some of the subjects they teach now.
Ramesvara: Material science as well as spiritual science?
Prabhupada: No. No, no. There is no need of so-called material science–how to kill children in the womb. These things will be kicked out. Nonsense.
Ramesvara: Do you think that they will adopt Indian medicine over Western medicine, things like that? Because there has to be some varnasrama.
Prabhupada: No, medicine, if it is actually medicine, it will be accepted. It doesn’t matter whether it is Indian or Western. If it is medicine it will be accepted.
Ramesvara: So that kind of research is in the mode of goodness.
Prabhupada: That is already there. We have to make little research. It, already there. There are books, Ayurvedic books. They are very nice. Everything can be done. Dhanvantari. It is given by Dhanvantari avatara, incarnation of Krsna.
Ramesvara: You have written in the First Canto that we welcome scientists, doctors…
Prabhupada: Yes, if it is beneficial.
Ramesvara: We welcome all these people if they dovetail their work for Krsna.
Ramesvara: So it’s not that these…
Prabhupada: We do not approve anything which is not actually beneficial. Otherwise it doesn’t matter, homeopathic or allopathic. But there is standard medicine given by Dhanvantari.
Ramesvara: Yes. But what about certain technological advancements like airplanes and automobiles?
Prabhupada: There are subtler aeroplanes. Aeroplane is mentioned in the sastras. Now they are working on machine, but there are aeroplanes which can work on mantra.
Ramesvara: But that science is lost.
Prabhupada: Not lost. It is there.
Hari-sauri: It’s hidden.
Ramesvara: We can’t practice that.
Prabhupada: No, we can practice what is called akasa patala. This book is there in Germany. It was purchased by the Germans.
Ramesvara: But do you think that the Vedic sciences will be revived as our movement becomes…
Prabhupada: No, no, our main purpose is to revive Krsna consciousness. In favor of this Krsna consciousness, whatever is available, beneficial, we shall adopt.
Prabhupada: That’s all.
Ramesvara: In other words, we want to reorganize all of society so that they develop Krsna consciousness.
Prabhupada: Krsna consciousness. That’s it. We do not hate anything. That is not our business. Just like we utilizing this. So it is modern, scientific gift. So we can utilize it for spreading Krsna consciousness. We do not say… We are not so bigot–“No, no. It is material. We shall not touch it.” We are not such fool.
Hari-sauri: No, we can use everything.
Room Conversation, January 21, 1977, Bhubaneswar
Prabhupada: That will take place. Otherwise, how they will be killed?
Ambarisa: They’re calling it a limited nuclear war.
Prabhupada: They are accumulated so much sinful load that must be killed. That is sure. (break) …the massacre. That will take place.
Harikesa: The sinless people will survive?
Devotee (3): Who is that?
Prabhupada: We. (break) There was an artificial famine in India and I particularly inquired from all devotees whether they have got any problem in this famine. They said, “No, we haven’t got.” I have taken the statistics. In 1942 the artificial famine created by government… So there were big earthquake in Bihar. At that time one of my godbrother, he was government auditor. So I inquired. In that earthquake only his house was saved. I have seen it many times. Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. That is the only….
samasrita ye pada-pallava-plavam
mahat-padam punya-yaso murareh
bhavambudhir vatsa-padam param padam
padam padam yad vipadam na tesam
Padam padam yad vipadam na tesam. It is not meant for them, all these dangerous condition.
(S.P. Morning Walk June 16, 1975, Honolulu)
Whether we are saved or not will depend on Krsna. If we live, that will be fortunate for us because this will give us more precious time to develop our loving relationship with Srila Prabhupada. It will also give us a chance to render very valuable service to His Divine Grace. After the war this civilization of Blind Materialism will come to sense and be humble enough to hear Srila Prabhupada’s message.
Dhananjaya: And after the war what will be the result?
Prabhupada: After the war they will come to sense.
(S.P.Morning Walk May 27, 1974, Rome)
Prabhupada: Preaching will be very nice after the war when both of them, especially Russia, will be finished…….
( S.P. Morning Walk Conversation (World War III) April 4, 1975, Mayapur)
Ramesvara: You said they have developed so many different weapons, so they must use them.
Ramesvara: They will not waste their time making nuclear bombs and so on without using them.
Prabhupada: That means it is ordained by God that “You have manufactured this, and use it for your destruction.” That is nature’s way. Film companies, these are?
Hari-sauri: Twentieth Century Fox. It is a very well known film company.
Ramesvara: Movie company. This is that park where we sometimes go. When they have this war it will reduce everything, just finish off all the industries and factories. So everything will be reduced to a primitive stage.
Prabhupada: No, they will again repair.
Ramesvara: Again rebuild everything.
Prabhupada: In Germany…. Just like Germany was finished. The American planes bombed in such a way that Germany was finished, very heavily bombed. One lady in Hamburg, she was showing me one wall, big wall building dismantled, and it has become black on account of bombing. She was showing me how far injustice they have been done.
Ramesvara: So then after the war, nothing will change. System of government, the industries, everything will just be rebuilt.
Prabhupada: They’ll try at least.
Morning Walk, June 11, 1976, Los Angeles