Tamala Krsna: Just see. They call a meeting of five hundred rabbis, all of the leading rabbis, and the Jewish leaders in the whole USA, just to deal with this question of “The cults taking our children.”
Prabhupada: (laughs) Us? Au…?
Tamala Krsna: Yes. We’re the main cult.
Prabhupada: Then? This is a verse. They do not know what is the aim of life.
Hari-sauri: “Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found in them.” All liars and cheats.
Prabhupada: This is demon.
Tamala Krsna: They’re filthy. That’s for sure. They are filthy. They have no idea of… In New York you can see that. They smell nasty. They keep on their shoes. You have to tell them to take… They never wash after eating. Even animals wash. At least they try to keep clean.
Room Conversation February 18, 1977, Mayapura
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Tamala Krsna: …kidnapped three of our devotees about a week before we… Just about a week…
Prabhupada: So we cannot take any position?
Tamala Krsna: Well, no, because the kidnapping is legal. They got…
Prabhupada: Then what can be done?
Tamala Krsna: They got permission from the court for conservatorship.
Adi-kesava: But two of the devotees have already escaped.
Prabhupada: If it is legal, what can I say?
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, that’s… This is their new tactic now. This is their new tactic, that they’re getting the court permission.
Prabhupada: Then Americans’ liberty is gone.
Tamala Krsna: That’s why the lawyers and others are very alarmed, the intellectuals, ’cause they’re seeing it is becoming like Russia.
Adi-kesava: They’re saying now that psychological freedom is more important in the law than religious freedom.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, if the law helps to kidnap, then what you can do?
Tamala Krsna: He says that just now there was a meeting of the five hundred leading rabbis of the Jewish faith in favor of deprogramming, because they’re very alarmed that the young men and women of the synagogues are joining our movement and other type of movements and leaving their so-called past religion. So the rabbis are going to take up… They like this deprogramming. They like this kidnapping. And he says also that just now in Newsweek magazine there’s been a big article printed in favor of deprogramming, special article about this Tucson, Arizona, deprogramming center. So he says that he expects more and more of this deprogramming. He’s a little bit alarmed because all of our leaders will be here in India now for the next few weeks.
Tamala Krsna: So he’s a little alarmed that we’ll all be coming to India, and these deprogrammers, they know this. So he’s concerned.
Prabhupada: So do you think by going there they’ll be saved?
Tamala Krsna: By staying in America, you mean?
Tamala Krsna: No.
Adi-kesava: Most of the work that we can do doesn’t have much to do with someone being taken, one person. It has to do with dealing with the whole issue. When we make…
Prabhupada: No, how is this American law is allowed that anyone can be kidnapped?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, that’s the whole point…
Adi-kesava: We have gotten in some states injunctions from the court so that people cannot be taken. For instance in California they have an injunction. In Massachusetts…
Prabhupada: If this injunction is there, why don’t you take steps and…?
Adi-kesava: They took them from other states. So we’re trying to extend it now to the other states. But in some places there are new laws, so we have to find a new way to go against it. We have just defeated the law in the state of Vermont. They proposed one law…
Prabhupada: That law, but is what can I say?
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, no, I mean he wasn’t asking for any statement. I was just giving it as information.
Prabhupada: That they have already taken. (converses with man in Bengali) (break) When there is fight, fight is fight. They’ll take their tactics; we shall take our tactics.
Tamala Krsna: You can see which groups are alarmed–the parents, the rabbis, and the priests.
Prabhupada: They should be alarmed. If Hare Krsna movement goes on, then their culture will be finished.
Room Conversation February 18, 1977, Mayapura
For flickering happiness, people waste their human energy, not understanding the importance of the Krsna consciousness movement but instead accusing the simple devotees of brainwashing. Demons may falsely accuse the preachers of the Krsna consciousness movement, but Krsna will arrange a fight between the demons in which all their military power will be engaged and both parties of demons will be annihilated.
[Srimad Bhagavatam 9.24.59]
Prabhupada: This is also arrangement by Krsna. Vinasaya ca duskrtam. “I will arrange soldiers. Russia will arrange for military power, America will arrange for military power, and they’ll be engaged in fighting so that the overburdened earth will be released from these, all these demons. And it will pave the way for Krsna consciousness.” And so long they’re alive, they’ll protest against Krsna consciousness: “This is brainwash.” So Krsna will arrange war between them. Then they’ll be finished, and it will be easy for us to make progress. So paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam.
Satsvarupa: Why will that be favorable for us? You said that will be…
Prabhupada: Paritranaya sadhunam, that we are meeting so many obstacles for these rascal demons, and when they will be killed, then our path will be easier. And they will also understand that “This demonic way of life is not good. Let us take to Krsna.”
[S.P. Morning Walk, January 28, 1977, Bhubaneshwar]