Tamal Is The Flat Earth Founder In “Devotee” Circles Not Prabhupada

Tamal Krishna, the envious jewish rabbi dressed as a devotee was the founder of the flat earth philosophy in “devotee” circles AND NOT His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

 

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Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, are the planets shaped liked balls or more like plates? Because it’s, it’s hard to understand, ’cause they’re called dvipas, “islands.” Their roundness is the roundness of a plate or like a ball?

Prabhupada: Which one?

Satsvarupa: The earth planet?

Prabhupada: If it is like a tree, then these things can be as dvipa, island.

Tamala Krsna: Wow. You know…

Prabhupada: Eh?

Tamala Krsna: The scientists are getting smashed to bits by your statements, Srila Prabhupada. This destroys their whole theory. Orbs, round spheres. I think that this Mayapura building, we must build a big planetarium in it.

 Morning Walk March 18, 1976, Mayapura

 

Seated on His chariot with Arjuna, Kṛṣṇa began to proceed north, crossing over many planetary systems. THESE ARE DESCRIBED IN THE ŚRĪMAD-BHĀGAVATAM AS SAPTA–DVĪPA. Dvīpa means island. ALL THESE PLANETS are sometimes described in the Vedic literature as dvipas. THE PLANET ON WHICH WE ARE LIVING IS CALLED JAMBŪDVĪPA. Outer space is taken as a great ocean of air, and within that great ocean of air there are many islands, which are the different planets. IN EACH AND EVERY PLANET THERE ARE OCEANS ALSO. In some of the PLANETS, the oceans are of salt water, and in some of them there are oceans of milk. In others there are oceans of liquor, and in others there are oceans of ghee or oil. There are different kinds of mountains also. Each and every planet has a different type of atmosphere.

Krishna Book 34 / The Superexcellent Power of Kṛṣṇa

 

TRANSLATION: When Priyavrata drove his chariot behind the sun, the rims of his chariot wheels created impressions that later became seven oceans, dividing the planetary system known as Bhū-maṇḍala into seven islands.

PURPORT: Sometimes the planets in outer space are called islands. We have experience of various types of islands in the ocean, and similarly the various planets, divided into fourteen lokas, are islands in the ocean of space. As Priyavrata drove his chariot behind the sun, he created seven different types of oceans and planetary systems, which altogether are known as Bhū-maṇḍala, or Bhūloka. In the Gāyatrī mantra, we chant, oṁ bhūr bhuvaḥ svaḥ tat savitur vareṇyam. Above the Bhūloka planetary system is Bhuvarloka, and above that is Svargaloka, the heavenly planetary system. All these planetary systems are controlled by Savitā, the sun-god. By chanting the Gāyatrī mantra just after rising early in the morning, one worships the sun-god.

Bhagavatam 5/1/31

 

Bhārata-varṣa: This part of the world is also one of the nine varṣas of the Jambūdvīpa, or earthly planet. Each planet is also sometimes called a dvīpa because of its being an island in the fathomless outer space. Each planet is factually an island in the airy ocean of outer space. Jambūdvīpa is only one of such countless islands in this airy ocean of space. A description of Bhārata-varṣa is given in the Mahābhārata (Bhīṣma Parva, Chapters 9-10).

SB 1.16.12

 

 

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11 Replies to “Tamal Is The Flat Earth Founder In “Devotee” Circles Not Prabhupada

  1. “Sometimes the planets in outer space are called islands. We have experience of various types of islands in the ocean, and similarly the various planets, divided into fourteen lokas, are islands in the ocean of space.”

    This is actually incorrect, the literal translation is that the islands are indeed earthly islands separated by the 7 types of oceans, salty, sweet etc on Bhu-mandala. Mayeshvara has clearly described how Srila Prabhupada used these terms in a conventional sense speaking to an audience that assumed earth was a globe floating in space. http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-18/editorials15675.htm

    The Bhagavatam clearly describes it as a flat stationary plane so it’s far from TKG bringing in the idea the reality is that was explained long ago in the 5th canto he was merely one of a few devotees bringing it into conversation. Globe earth is a product of atheistic big bang philosophy it is totally non Vedic. Hare Krishna.

    1. For all you fools submissively hearing this upstart and first class offender Mayesvara:

      “No learned man should be willing to hear a person who does not represent the original acarya.”

      Prabhupada from Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.1

      MAHAisaWART wrote:

      Could the idea that the Earth is not a globe, be also part of Krishna’s unfolding plan? As mentioned, it was only a few months before his departure in 1977 that Srila Prabhupada along with his disciples even began to try to decipher the mysterious description of the Earth given by Sukadeva Goswami.
      decipher
      = succeed in understanding, interpreting, or identifying (something).

      Do you need more pabhuooos to recognize a man of hellish mentality????

      If you do then i BOLDLY DECLARE YOU ARE ALSO OF HELLISH MENTALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Is we clear????

      1. is he trying to say Srila Prabhupada was only BEGINING to decipher the descriptions of the earthly planet in 1977 meaning he didnt fully understand the earthly planet until then ?! if so then he is a rascal number 1 !

      2. I’m still new to Krishna Consciousness and trying to understand the nature of guru. So I’m bound to have offensive ideas in my mind. But I don’t think trying to understand Prabhupada better can be a bad thing.

        Satsvarūpa: Prabhupāda, in one purport in the Bhagavad-gītā, you write that a disciple of a bona fide spiritual master is supposed to know everything.
        Prabhupāda: Yes, if he follows the spiritual master.
        Satsvarūpa: But how could he know…? What does that mean, “everything”?
        Prabhupāda: Everything means whatever his guru knows, he should know, that much. Not like God, everything. Within his limit, that’s all. If he tries to understand whatever his guru has said, that much is “everything.” Otherwise, “everything” does not mean that we know everything, like God, like Kṛṣṇa. That is not possible. If he regularly chants and follow the regulative principles, follows the orders of guru, then he knows everything. That’s all. Not very much… Knows everything, then what is the use of reading books when he knows everything? [break] …everything—except Kṛṣṇa. Aham… Sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭo [Bg. 15.15]. He knows past, present, future, everything. You cannot expect anyone to know like Kṛṣṇa, everything.
        Jayādvaita: Kṛṣṇa says in Bhagavad-gītā that one who knows Him knows everything.
        Prabhupāda: Yes. Because if he knows that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then he knows everything. That’s all. Not that he should know as Kṛṣṇa. If he… Yasmin vijñāte sarvam eva vijñātam… If he accepts Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Absolute Truth, then he knows everything. That is finish.
        Jayādvaita: That knowledge itself is…
        Prabhupāda: Eh?
        Jayādvaita: That knowledge itself is complete.
        Prabhupāda: Yes.
        Satsvarūpa: There may be material things he doesn’t know, but they’re useless.
        Prabhupāda: Eh?
        Satsvarūpa: If there’s some material information that such a person doesn’t know, that’s not really knowledge anyway.
        Prabhupāda: I did not follow.
        Satsvarūpa: If he doesn’t know how many people live in…
        Jayādvaita: Just like Gaura-kiśora could not write. So it appeared that he did not, there was something that he did not know, although he knew Kṛṣṇa.
        Prabhupāda: Yes. He knows everything. Otherwise how Bhaktisiddhānta accepted him as guru? He knows Kṛṣṇa. That’s all.
        Nalinī-kānta: Whatever the spiritual master says, that is also perfect?
        Prabhupāda: Yes. Because he says nothing concocted. Whatever he says, he says from śāstra, and guru.

        Jayadvaita: Because we see… For instance, sometimes the acarya may seem to forget something or not to know something, so from our point of view, if someone has forgotten, that is…
        Prabhupada: No, no, no. Then…
        Jayadvaita: …an imperfection.
        Prabhupada: That is not the… Then you do not understand. Acarya is not God, omniscient. He is servant of God. His business is to preach bhakti cult. That is acarya.
        Jayadvaita: And that is the perfection.
        Prabhupada: That is the perfection. Hare Krsna.
        Jayadvaita: So we have a misunderstanding about what perfection is?
        Prabhupada: Yes. Perfection is here, how he is preaching bhakti cult. That’s all.

        Bharadvaja: I understand, Srila Prabhupada, that the pure devotee can be as pervasive as Supersoul?
        Prabhupada: Hmm?
        Bharadvaja: By the mercy of Supersoul, he can be present in many places at once?
        Prabhupada: Yes. By the grace of Krishna, a devotee can become anything.
        Duryodhana-guru: So in other words that means the pure devotees can be omniscient?
        Prabhupada: Everything. God is omniscient, so a pure devotee can become omniscient by the grace of God.

        So from my understanding it is not offensive to say the spiritual master does not know everything. But whatever he says is perfect. But what does this perfection mean? That he’s preaching bhakti cult. So he’s perfectly preaching bhakti cult.

        It may be that Prabhupada was referring to the Earth globe and planetary systems according to time, place and circumstances. Juts like he did with Hitler.

        I’m certainly of hellish mentality, but I only wish to understand everything very nicely. And due to my impurity I may misunderstand.

        Prabhupāda: And it was not possible for me to digest. (laughs) Somebody else helped me to… I am a layman. I do not know.
        Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How did you write it?
        Prabhupāda: That somebody, Kṛṣṇa, helped me. That He manufactured.
        Yaśodānandana: And these mountains, they extend to the beaches. “It is considered, according to the Bhāga…”
        Prabhupāda: When I was writing, I was praying Kṛṣṇa that “I do not actually accommodate all this knowledge. Please help me.” Yes. That’s all right.

        So Prabhupada says he didn’t understand the cosmology of Srimad Bhagavatam. But Krishna helped him write the fifth Canto. But if Prabhupada was just being humble and did in fact understand everything about our universe perfectly, then he still could give his disciples the task of figuring it out for themselves. And he repeats time and again to take the version as described by Sukadeva Gosvami in Srimad Bhagavatam without argument and prejudice.

        Prabhupada: Whatever conception you make, that is defective. Rascals. First of all you have to understand this. So don’t make it like this, like this, like this, like… Whatever it is said, that is all right. Therefore Kṛṣṇa said aśraddadhānāḥ. No faith. Faithless.

        Prabhupāda: Yes. Now who is correct? Who will decide? I accuse you, you accuse me. But who is correct? Who will decide? That is śāstra. There is no question of argument. That is called pratiṣṭhā. You will never come to any conclusion by arguing. I think you are wrong, you think I am wrong. Somebody must decide. Judge. And that is śāstra.

        Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: As we are conditioned, as everyone is conditioned, our planetarium will have to show the actual facts.
        Prabhupāda: Yes. That fact we have learned from Bhāgavatam.
        Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So, so far we have not drawn this fact correctly.
        Prabhupāda: That is your inability. That is another thing.

        Prabhupada: Simply keep faith that whatever we describe, that is a fact. After all, we are an insignificant creature in the universe, so whether you take the modern scientists or Sukadeva Goswami, it is inconceivable. It is best to keep faith in Sukadeva Goswami, because actually our only business is to go back to home, back to Godhead.

        Yaśodā-nandana: If it is inconceivable, then they will say how we can conceive it?
        Prabhupāda: Take the version of Bhāgavatam.
        Bhakti-prema: Everything we conceived, that is wrong?
        Prabhupāda: Everything you conceived, that is wrong. Yes. Therefore inconceivable.
        Bhakti-prema: The Lord is inconceivable always and any (indistinct), it is inconceivable.
        Prabhupāda: But we have to accept śāstra.

        Yaśodā-nandana: I’m not prejudiced. I’m just trying to understand. I’m trying to understand what is the facts according to Bhāgavatam.
        Prabhupāda: How you can understand which is beyond your understanding?
        Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He is saying he wants to understand according to the Bhāgavatam.
        Yaśodā-nandana: Not we’re challenging.
        Prabhupāda: That you can describe.
        Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That is what we’re having trouble with. We’re not trying to do our own thing. We’re trying to understand Bhāgavatam. That we’re a little stuck on some point.
        Prabhupāda: Bhāgavata is there. You try to understand.

        Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Our question was mostly coming out of how to draw what the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is saying. We’re not supporting any kind of mundane argument, nor do we have any doubt in Bhāgavatam. We’re simply trying to understand the Bhāgavatam.
        Prabhupāda: And that is your credit.

        Prabhupada: You may say probably he may be your father, but mother knows that definitely. Therefore we take Vedas as mother, Purāṇas as sister. Śukadeva Gosvāmī is explaining it. Iti śuśruma. But śuśruma, why he should waste his valuable time? He knows it is definite. So unless you come to this standpoint that whatever is spoken in the Vedic literature, that is definite, you cannot be convinced by argument.
        Prabhupada: Now for argument’s sake, if they put some argument, we have to reply. We have to prepare for them. Otherwise they’re useless. We know they’re useless, but sometimes they put some argument. We have to give answer. This is the position. And our duty is to present picture of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam correct. So what do you have to say? At least some answer you should give.
        Yaśodā-nandana: The biggest problem we are discussing… We were thinking that the first question they will ask, this is their conception of the world.
        Prabhupāda: We reject them.
        Yaśodā-nandana: Yes.
        Prabhupāda: “You are imperfect. So whatever you have written, that is nonsense. And everywhere problem. Why should we waste our time?” Now just try to settle from point of. He’s showing this book, I am showing the Bhāgavatam.

        Prabhupāda: We are to take the Vedic injunction axiomatic.
        Svarūpa Dāmodara: So how do we, Śrīla Prabhupāda, we’re talking about all these things, this time, and we just give our time scale from Brahmā, that’s perfectly, that is on Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.

        Prabhupāda: You present your own as it is Bhāgavatam, try to explain them to your best capacity scientifically. If you bring this, bring that… All of them are imperfect. So what is the use of wasting time with something which is imperfect?

        Prabhupāda: So discuss all these nonsense propositions.

        Prabhupada: Why if one is settled up that he’s a rascal, we should not hear anything. And why not? He has not gone to the moon. They are insisting, “Yes, we have gone,” by false propaganda. Why the one who makes false propaganda and one who says nonsense, we have to believe? Immediately, whatever he says, reject. There’s no argument. You have proved yourself rascal so we don’t accept any statement. What do you think?

        Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Do we accept the contour of the continents? Do we accept the general continents?
        Prabhupāda: We accept nothing of their theory. They are prejudiced and nonsense. Formerly they were speaking that the world is flat. Now they have changed: “It is round.” So what is the value of his estimate? And you’ll find in that book, “probably.”
        Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That was the most frequent word used.
        Prabhupāda: Yes. So what is the value of their knowledge? Besides that, they’ll insist that life is combination of chemicals, and they cannot produce it. Simply useless. So it is, what is called, childish obstinacy. So why shall I believe them? Just like a child cries, “I want. I want,” it is like that. There is no science. Still they will say it is science.

        The sun is not fixed up; sun is moving. The modern scientists or astronomers, they say, “Sun is fixed up. The earth is moving.” So we don’t say that. It is sa… Yasyājñayā bhramati sambhṛta-kāla-cakraḥ. It has got its orbit. So there are so many things to be known still from Vedic literature, it is not yet unfolded, but we are trying.

        [About Canto 5:]
        Prabhupāda: I have tried to translate it as far as possible, but I am not satisfied.
        Indian Astronomer: A deep study of the text is absolutely necessary.

        Prabhupāda: The thing is, on principle, we shall only go against them.
        Haṁsadūta: Contrary.
        Prabhupāda: On principle. Whatever they say “Yes,” we say “No.”

        Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, boy. You’re going to bring a lot of…. A lot of scientists will come here just to dispute this.
        Prabhupāda: Yes.

        Prabhupāda: The reflection theory is the modern theory.
        Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Because sometimes in the books it’s stated…
        Prabhupāda: Yes. Sometimes I have said or taken this modern theory.
        Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Just so that people will understand an example. I see.

        Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is the earth also spinning?
        Prabhupāda: No.

        So Prabhupada was discussing cosmology according to Srimad Bhagavatam with his disciples. And he confirmed that certain aspects of our modern conception of Earth are definitely wrong. We have to take Srimad Bhagavatam as it is. So we should all attentive read Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 5 to understand what the Earth is.

  2. prabhupada told bhavananda that there is a dome above the plane[t], just look at the united nations flag prabhu, #russianvids flat earth eric dubay 200 proofs earths not a spinning ball,

    prabhupada what did he say after tama said earth is not sphere did he correct him? is there more 2 d conversation prabhu,

    nasa stole trillions and gave us cgi pics,

    1. Where did you find this out, that Bhavananda said Prabhupada said there is a dome above the planet? where can I find this , confirmed?

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