They have discovered this atomic weapon–they require so many chemicals. But when you come to the higher stage, subtle, then mantra and water will do. Nothing more. No more chemicals. Simply mantra and water. That is yet you have to learn.
But these things are there in the Vedas. If you are a serious student of Veda you can also learn, you can also fight like Arjuna. There is no difficulty. Therefore Krsna says astra-jnah. Unnaddham astra-jnah. You can also become learned in the higher science of military art. You can also utilize. But that requires brain, good brain.
Prabhupada Lecture Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.7.28-29 Vrndavana, September 25, 1976
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Ramesvara: Now, what I am thinking is this, that you have mentioned many times, several times, that there is a conflict which is inevitable between Russia and America.
Prabhupada: Hm. No, if they understand Krsna consciousness, both of them–now we are publishing–then there will be no conflict on…
Ramesvara: If Russia…
Ramesvara: But if not…
Prabhupada: Then we shall force America to fight with them. Finish this philosophy.
Ramesvara: Now, if this conflict takes place, then you mentioned that many cities both in America and Russia will be bombed or affected by this conflict.
Prabhupada: Hm, hm.
Ramesvara: So when the war is finished…
Prabhupada: Then they will come to their senses.
Ramesvara: Then there will be nothing left. Their jobs, their factories, it will all… So then they’ll be able to easily understand, “Now let us start again. We’ll live on the farm. Simpler life.”
Prabhupada: Yes. That will be good lesson for them.
Ramesvara: So is this conflict part of the spreading of Krsna consciousness?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam. To… Conflict means to finish the sinful activities, finish, stop it.
Ramesvara: It seems that then this conflict will be a great opportunity for our movement.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Ramesvara: And afterwards there will be an opportunity to influence people.
Prabhupada: We shall take every opportunity. We are the best opportunists. Anukulyena krsnanu… This is anukula. This is favorable for spreading Krsna consciousness. We shall immediately accept. It doesn’t matter what it is. We do not depend on the public opinion–“This is good” or “This is bad.” Our “good” “bad” is: if it is favorable for spreading Krsna consciousness, it is good; otherwise bad.
Ramesvara: So it seems that as our movement grows more and more…
Ramesvara: …then America will more and more be considering active stopping of Communism. It’ll be logical.
Prabhupada: Everything will be stopped, all bogus social, political or religious systems. They will be all stopped.
Ramesvara: Then this will be a natural development of the growth of the Krsna consciousness movement.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes. Two things: paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam. As the duskrta–na mam duskrta mudhah–will be reduced, the sadhu will increase. Or the sadhu will increase, the duskrta will decrease.
Ramesvara: This conflict will be global. It will affect the whole world.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. That doesn’t matter.
Hari-sauri: We’re already in every country now.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is the Kuruksetra fight.
Ramesvara: So this conflict will take place…
Prabhupada: Support Yudhisthira Maharaja and kill Duryodhana. This is Kuruksetra.
Ramesvara: It seems our movement has to grow much more…
Prabhupada: It will grow.
Ramesvara: …before this will take place.
Prabhupada: It will grow: It is growing. Simply our workers should be very sincere and strict, and it will it grow. Nobody can check. That’s a fact. Simply we have to be very strict and sincere. Then nobody can check.
Ramesvara: Because after such a conflict the whole world will…
Prabhupada: Conflict is already there. Just like they’re opposing.
Ramesvara: But I mean actual destruction of their culture, their…
Prabhupada: Now they are trying to destroy us. And we are trying to destroy them. The conflict is already there. And this is now psychological fight. And then there will be actual fight. And we must take part in that fight.
Ramesvara: We will be the only ones who have any vision what to do after the war.
Prabhupada: Yes. We have got clear vision. We are not putting any theory. We are always presenting fact, and that is materializing. Just like we started this farm. It is materializing gradually. It is not yet fully organized; still, there is hope that it will give peace to the people. There is sufficient hope.
Hari-sauri: Is our goal to actually establish Vedic principles back into society again at large?
Ramesvara: Of course.
Prabhupada: That will be Satya-yuga. Again the Vedic principles will be established after finishing this Kali-yuga. And that is Satya-yuga. That is going on. Just after summer, there is winter. There is… After winter, there is summer.
Ramesvara: But this is extraordinary. Lord Caitanya’s movement, the ten thousand years of His movement, that is a special exception for the Kali-yuga.
Prabhupada: Special for this millennium. But the thing is going on like that, rotating.
Ramesvara: But in general, first it gets more and more degraded. Then it’s all finished.
Prabhupada: Yes. Unless there is degradation, there is no question of improvement. So this is going on. This is nature’s way, bhutva bhutva praliyate, appearance and disappearance.
Ramesvara: Now, this Krsna conscious government… Will many of the things that are going on in America, like schools and education, teaching people to read and write…
Prabhupada: They’ll have to reform.
Ramesvara: That will all continue, but it will be adjusted so that Krsna consciousness…
Prabhupada: Yes, Gurukula, Gurukula education.
Ramesvara: Still we’ll be teaching subjects like history and math.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Without teaching, how the human society will exist? There must be.
Hari-sauri: No, he’s talking about some of the subjects they teach now.
Ramesvara: Material science as well as spiritual science?
Prabhupada: No. No, no. There is no need of so-called material science–how to kill children in the womb. These things will be kicked out. Nonsense.
Ramesvara: Do you think that they will adopt Indian medicine over Western medicine, things like that? Because there has to be some varnasrama.
Prabhupada: No, medicine, if it is actually medicine, it will be accepted. It doesn’t matter whether it is Indian or Western. If it is medicine it will be accepted.
Ramesvara: So that kind of research is in the mode of goodness.
Prabhupada: That is already there. We have to make little research. It, already there. There are books, Ayurvedic books. They are very nice. Everything can be done. Dhanvantari. It is given by Dhanvantari avatara, incarnation of Krsna.
Ramesvara: You have written in the First Canto that we welcome scientists, doctors…
Prabhupada: Yes, if it is beneficial.
Ramesvara: We welcome all these people if they dovetail their work for Krsna.
Ramesvara: So it’s not that these…
Prabhupada: We do not approve anything which is not actually beneficial. Otherwise it doesn’t matter, homeopathic or allopathic. But there is standard medicine given by Dhanvantari.
Ramesvara: Yes. But what about certain technological advancements like airplanes and automobiles?
Prabhupada: There are subtler aeroplanes. Aeroplane is mentioned in the sastras. Now they are working on machine, but there are aeroplanes which can work on mantra.
Ramesvara: But that science is lost.
Prabhupada: Not lost. It is there.
Hari-sauri: It’s hidden.
Ramesvara: We can’t practice that.
Prabhupada: No, we can practice what is called akasa patala. This book is there in Germany. It was purchased by the Germans.
Ramesvara: But do you think that the Vedic sciences will be revived as our movement becomes…
Prabhupada: No, no, our main purpose is to revive Krsna consciousness. In favor of this Krsna consciousness, whatever is available, beneficial, we shall adopt.
Prabhupada: That’s all.
Room Conversation January 21, 1977, Bhubaneswar
Ramesvara: Devotees once told me you said that the demigods like this movement very much so that they’re standing in line to take their birth in the Krsna consciousness movement.
Prabhupada: Yes. They like to come here on this planet. Just like you Krsna conscious men, you are very much enthusiastic to go to India. India has no material attraction, but why our men wanted to go to India in spite of so many difficulties? Similarly, in the higher planet, heavenly planet, they are so much engrossed with material happiness that there is no facility. But here there is facility, in this earth, Bhurloka. Bhogaisvarya-prasaktanam tayapahrta-cetasam. One who is too much attached to material convenience and everything, they have no opportunity for Krsna consciousness. (break)
Morning Walk, June 9, 1976, Los Angeles