I have recently uncovered another book change by the talmudic flat earthers controlling ISKCON, in which they try to hide Prabhupada’s saying the word globe and replace it with the word law.
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Tamala Krsna: That’s why the lawyers and others are very alarmed, the intellectuals, ’cause they’re seeing it is becoming like Russia.
Adi-kesava: They’re saying now that psychological freedom is more important in the law than religious freedom.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, if the law helps to kidnap, then what you can do?
Tamala Krsna: He says that just now there was a meeting of the five hundred leading rabbis of the Jewish faith in favor of deprogramming, because they’re very alarmed that the young men and women of the synagogues are joining our movement and other type of movements and leaving their so-called past religion. So the rabbis are going to take up… They like this deprogramming.
Room Conversation February 18, 1977, Mayapura
Professor Chenique: Oh, yes, for this kind of book.
Prabhupada: That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s mission,
prthivite ache yata nagaradi grama
sarvatra pracara haibe mora nama
He has to preach in every village and every town on the surface of the globe about this Krsna consciousness.
Room Conversation with Professor Francois Chenique August 5, 1976, Paris
CHANGED VERSION
Tamala Krsna: “But we say within our limited means we can understand that…”
Prabhupada: And limited means if you understand that “I am bound up. I am going round the law ,” that is all right. But don’t say that “Beyond this limit there is nothing.”
Bhu-mandala Discussion July 3, 1977, Vrndavana
CORRECT VERSION
Tamala Krsna: “But we say within our limited means we can understand that…”
Prabhupada: And limited means if you understand that “I am bound up. I am going round the globe ,” that is all right. But don’t say that “Beyond this limit there is nothing.”
Bhu-mandala Discussion July 3, 1977, Vrndavana
It is “the GLobe”.
The “GL” part of the globe is clearly prnounced by his devine grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami.
Thanka mukunda dasa for bring it.
It is “the GLobe”.
The “GL” part of the globe is clearly prnounced by his divine grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami.
Thanka mukunda dasa for bring it.
Within the bhu-mandala discussion, slightly later on:
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well I’m just trying to think of the description of the Jambūdvīpa.
Prabhupāda: Whatever you say. But be aware you are rascal.
LOL
You may find this interesting. Here in Brazil, two days ago, the first national flat earth convention (FLATCON) was held in the completely masonic Teatro Liberdade. In fact, it’s just down the road from São Paulo state’s Grand Masonic Lodge. I thought it was interesting to see how things seem to be falling into place…
yes this flat earth is clearly a talmudic jewish beleif as shown by mukunda prabhu , dont listen to the words of offensive persons to srila prabhupada like mayesvara hes on a ego trip to try and become famous for understanding the cosmology which he claims prabhupada was only begining to comprehend . lets all try and become sincere devotees of srila prabhupada make our life perfect !! jaya prabhupada haribol!
Rubbish, Mayeshvara has committed no offense he has simply translated the Bhagavatam As It Is – a flat stationary plane Bhu-mandala. Devotees that believe in the fake globe need to wake the *** up sorry to say these articles do not deal with the fact of what the Bhagavatam says they waste time on conversations in which the word ‘globe’ is thought to prove the factual shape of the earth when it’s merely a word used in common parlance. You guys are so lost take the time to read the 5th canto instead of speculating that TKG made up the flat earth he merely discussed it and Prabhupada’s final words were to make the TOVP according to the Bhagavatam which is CLEARLY flat. The so called devotees building the TOVP are the demoniac not Mayeshvara get that straight!
A follower of the jew resnick who thinks Prabhupada didn’t understand the 5th Canto Bhagavatam YET HE DOES is a resident of hell and you Mr. Prositute will be going there with him! You clear now?
Jai!!!!! Thank you Vijaya Gauranga Prabhu. This is truth. This is the Srimad Bhagavatam. Prabhupada himself said he did not understand the 5th canto fully. Look it up my friend. Mukunda Dasa…. stop name calling and read more Prabhupada…
HOW THE FLAT EARTHERS OFFEND SRILA PRABHUPADA
In this chapter we shall expose two offensive schools of thought in regards to Srila Prabhupada. They are as follows:
1. Srila Prabhupada lied to everyone in regards to the true nature of the earth. His numerous statements about the earth being a planet or globe were circumstantial truths. In other words he only spoke of the earth in this way because that was the conventional understanding of the human population.
2. Srila Prabhupada didn’t actually understand Vedic cosmology as described in the Srimad Bhagavatam. He was totally ignorant of the real dimensions of earth and simply spoke of it using the conventional understanding that it is a globe in space.
Anyone accepting the flat earth paradigm is directly or indirectly holding one of these offensive schools of thought.
Prabhupada Does Not Deviate At All From The Instructions Of The Supreme Lord
“One is therefore advised to study Bhagavad-gita, or any other scripture, under a bona fide spiritual master, with service and surrender. A bona fide spiritual master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord as they were imparted millions of years ago to the sun-god, from whom the instructions of Bhagavad-gita have come down to the earthly kingdom. One should, therefore, follow the path of Bhagavad-gita as it is expressed in the Gita itself and beware of self-interested people after personal aggrandizement who deviate others from the actual path.” (Srila Prabhupada from Bhagavad-gita As It Is 4.42)
Note: As we can clearly see from this quote Srila Prabhupada as a bona fide spiritual master could not possibly present the earth as a globe or planet, which he does hundreds of times throughout all his books, lectures and conversations unless that is EXACTLY what it is. If the earth was actually described as flat in the scriptures especially the Srimad Bhagavatam, then Prabhupada would be deviating by presenting it as a planet or globe. Therefore if one wishes to take the flat earthers indirect interpretation of the fifth canto of the Srimad Bhagavatam then he has directly or indirectly rejected Srila Prabhupada as a bona fide spiritual master. This is the factual position.
I Have Not Deviated From The Original Instructions
“Actually I cannot claim any credit for myself, but I say if any credit is due, it is due to the fact that I have not deviated from the original instructions. Whatever I have learned from my spiritual master I have presented before you and similarly whatever success you are having only it is due to the purity of the message which you are carrying. So continue to see to the management of ISKCON and keep up the standards of devotional service and this Krishna Consciousness movement will be accepted all over the world.” (Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Krsna dasa, Surat, 18 December, 1970)
Note: Again Prabhupada says that he is presenting what he has learnt from his spiritual master and he has not deviated from the original instructions. So if the Bhagavatam says the earth is flat then Prabhupada has deviated from those original instructions by always presenting it as a globe. The real fact is this; Srimad Bhagavatam never says the earth is a flat plane. This concept is a mental concoction presented by self-interested people after personal aggrandizement who are deviating others from the actual path of true Krishna consciousness understanding.
Established Knowledge. It Cannot Be Changed In Any Circumstance.
“So in order to know that science, one has to approach a perfect teacher. Tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet. Here also it is said, gurau hamsa. Hamse gurau mayi. The mayi is also significant. That means, paramahamsa guru means, he’s as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because he does not deviate from the instructions of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is the symptom of guru. Guru does not deviate from the instruction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He does not manufacture something new, novel. No, the same thing. Just like Krsna says in the Fourth Chapter, although He is the speaker, millions of years ago He instructed the science to the Sun god, and again when He was instructed to Arjuna, He said that, “I am instructing the same thing.” Sa evayam puratanah. Not that on account of change of time, the instruction has been changed, no. (aside:) What is that exact verse? Sa evayam puratanah?
Devotee: Yogah proktah puratanah.
Prabhupada: Yogah proktah puratanah. Puratanah, not something new. This is nonsense. There cannot be something new. Everything established. Science means, scientific knowledge means, it is not something new. Just like the sun rises from the eastern horizon. So millions of years ago, the sun used to rise from the eastern horizon, and still it is going on. Not that because time has changed, the sun is rising from the western side or northern side, no. Knowledge means… That is Vedic knowledge. Established knowledge. It cannot be changed in any circumstance. That is Vedic knowledge. What was millions of years ago fact, it is fact now. So, tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet. So in order to know that factual knowledge, one has to approach the bona fide spiritual master.”
Note: This quote totally destroys the notion that Prabhupada lied to us and presented the earth as a globe because of a changed in circumstance. If the earth is actually flat then Prabhupada as a bona fide spiritual master cannot present Vedic knowledge in a changed or deviated way just because they general public have a particular vision of reality. Prabhupada cannot present the earth as a globe just because that was the conventional understanding of a deluded human population. Prabhupada says that Vedic knowledge is established knowledge. It cannot be changed in any circumstance! Therefore when Prabhupada repeatedly and always spoke of the earth as a globe and planet, he did so because that is exactly what it is, as confirmed in the Srimad Bhagavatam.
Now let us totally refute the second school of thought held by these guru aparadhis in regards to Prabhupada being ignorant of Vedic cosmology.
Oh my! Your explanation clearly offers to us the truth!
Those are rascals is correct. Not devotees, but rascals, using the Lord for their onw wickedness.
All the Jewish source, Old Testament, New Testament, Talmud, etc says Earth is flat, which is obviously false, which is now clearly established.
i think the rascal is clear now.
Sir, I thank you for this post.
On this website, there are also audio transmissions of the conversations.
Also the one which is mentioned here: July 3rd 1977 in Vrndavana.
Go to 8:20. It starts with:
Tamala Krsna: “But we say within our limited means we can understand that…”
Prabhupada: And limited means if you understand that “I am bound up. I am going round the law ,” that is all right. But don’t say that “Beyond this limit there is nothing.”
Now, you can clearly hear Srila Prabhupada say: ‘around the law’ and not ‘around the globe’
Does this mean that the transmission is also faked?
no he says globe. it is clear!!!!
Forgot to add the URL: https://prabhupadavani.org/transcriptions/770703dcvrn/
At 8:20 it starts.
yes i heard it many many times. i am a trained ear as i have been hearing Prabhupada 30 years now 24 hours daily…. it is globe REST ASSURED!
More than a year later but I have some suggestion. Maybe Prabhupada was saying: “going round the lawN”. Because a dog is also leashed on a stake in the garden. And the lawn is flat.
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Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They say it never ends because we’re going around the planet.
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Prabhupāda: I am going round the globe, that is all right.
But don’t say that “Beyond this limit there is nothing.”
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we’re going around the planet.
I am going round the globe, that is all right.